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THE CURE FOR THE MOTORCYCLE MENACE
Motor cycles that thunder along the fields of littlemoor, are viewed by this police service and council to be of little or no concern.
All too often do we hear from strollers and dog walkers alike, who choose to walk along the beautiful paths, voice fear for themselves and their pets, as speeding motor cycles narrowly miss them, an accident only a breath away.
How many times do we have to hear the frustrations of our friends and neighbours, who have to live with the constant torment of roaring motor cycles in the nearby fields?
Our frustrations are compounded by this Police service constantly failing to address this issue, when they provide a far from meaningful response. Patrol cars have been seen, to pass individuals who are clearly pushing their motor cycles towards the fields.
Most of us do not blame the individuals who feel the need to ride their motor cycles in such places; we blame this council for failing to identify a need to provide a suitable location for such a sport, where such activities can take place safely.
Given the right support this nuisance can be turned into a leisure activity, that would benefit our community, providing a distraction for many, who may otherwise vent their boredom less sociably.
This community has the answer, this council just needs to stop and listen.
I thought there was a track that people could use at Thorncombe Woods or Puddletown Woods, can aunone confirm. Surely we could set something up locally, it was dome for the skateboarders who had become a nuisance on our streets, and they now have a good facility at lodmoor
Anonymous,
You are open to the possibilities of such a scheme as am I, this concept could be a of benefit to all local residents, it just needs a few brave people to say, “Let’s do it”. Yet I fear all we will see in future posts are the moaners amongst us, telling us why it cannot be done, rather than how it could be, let us hope they prove me wrong. Find me the location of a free site, and I will explain how such a scheme could be run with minimum costs to this council.
All good and noble ideas, but its not as simple as just saying "Lets do it".
The major problem is one of insurance. You could find a local field with the landowners full permission to use it but who will pay the insurance?
The type of insurance required for this sort of thing can be anywhere around 10 grand or more.
Theres no way the council will ever pay so it would have to come from public funding and who would be willing to shell out hard earned just so some lads can ride around a field?
It would be great if this sort of thing could be set up though, I'm all for keeping them off the streets.
It occurs to me that such a scheme could be run as a club, with individuals paying a subscription. The funds that this produce along with contributions made from supportive originations would go a long way towards meeting any such costs. It also occurs to me that local companies, such as garages may like to set up advertising boards, which they would be willing to pay for. My only frustration here is that all too often do we not try, with the main excuse being it will cost money,with figures being stated based on wild speculation. As I have just explained that is not always the case.
The sum of 10 grand for insurance is not wild speculation. You only have to google it to see.
They had a similar idea to what you are proposing on Portland but in their case it was a skateboard park. The council didnt want to know when they were quoted £20000 for the public liability insurance, so residents took it upon themselves to save and it took almost 6 years to get there. Needless to say, all the youngsters that had wanted the park in the first place have now grown up and it sits empty for most of the time nowadays.
You say that "local companies, such as garages may like to set up advertising boards, which they would be willing to pay for." A fine idea but just how many local companies are there in Littlemoor?
Sad to say, but no matter what goodwill there is, the reality of situations like these ARE always down to money, or lack of.
That is strange i have done has you suggested, and ask for quotes through various insurance companies, the most expensive is £666.75, and would give £2,0000,000 public liability insurance, do you think that would cover it? The link to the web site is http://www.simplybusiness.co.uk/moneysupermarket. I am not saying you are miss informing me, but perhaps you may have an idea why we are getting such conflicting figures. My intention would not be to just focus on companies in littlemoor but all interested parties in Weymouth, and further afield if necessary. The time it would take to get such a project off the ground, is any ones guess, however my experience with such projects suggests the time taken is direct relation to motivation. Moreover, there are a LOT of truly motivated individuals at littlemoor.
Sad to say, that such projects are not beaten by lack of money, but defeatism.
Unfortunately 2 million wont cut the mustard. You will need at least 10 million public liability for this type of venture. Also the insurance must cover the actual sport which for anything to do with motorbikes makes things a lot more expensive.
Thats probably why you are getting such cheap quotes.
Checkout http://www.fmlinsurance.com or http://www.aetaylor.com/
They both cover dangerous sports.
But enough of arguing the toss over such things.
I don't doubt your sincerity and I look forward to visiting the new Littlemoor motorbike track when you get it up and running.
Good Luck.
Anonymous, I thank you for the interest you have shown on this subject, and I concede the point that I need to look at public liability insurance for such a Project. Your maturity shown by your unwillingness to enter into a pointless argument, and the sincerity shown in your replies, impress me, and I hope we will talk again some time. I just need to ask one question, please explain how you are so well informed on such a subject.
A few years back, when mini-motos were all the rage, we tried to set up something similar for the lads here on Portland.
We encountered more brick walls than you would find in a brick wall factory that’s working overtime.
There were so many hurdles to overcome.
We had to get planning permission (for what reason, I’ve never figured out)
Consent from the West Dorset police.
Consent & fire safety certificates from the fire brigade.
Public liability insurance which at the time was £9600 a year.
Suitable access had to be made to the area; silly things like dropped kerbs, paving & fencing, all of which also had to have separate planning permission.
If the area was to be used by more than 20 (if I remember correctly) riders at a time then we had to have toilet facilities installed!!.
The list went on & on.
At every turn bureaucracy seemed to want to stop it happening.
On top of that, everybody that had said it was a good idea soon lost interest when they realised that they would have to put their hands in their pockets to the tune of over 10 grand a year.
So what with all the red tape and the fund raising everything just ground to a halt.
I'm not saying that it can’t be done though. But you must go into it realising that it will be a full time job setting it up, keeping it going & the constant fund raising.
One aside - Somebody said to me something that I never thought about at the time. "What would I feel like if I got this thing off the ground and then a nipper went and killed himself whilst racing around the track that I helped build?"
Pause for thought......
I think I’ll stick to gardening... lol
Anonymous,
Yet again, your noble efforts impress me, and I would say it is better to of tried and failed then never to of tried at all. As you so rightly point out the obstructions that block such a project are sizable, however I always did like a good challenge. Out of interest, did you get any support from the council, such as advice, or offers of land? Was there any interest from the media? If the answer to both of these is no, then perhaps it is time to expose the ineffectiveness of our council to provide support for projects that would aid the community. Is it not time that the public was made aware that those we ask to look after our interests, such as this council, are causing more problems than they reduce, through the use of unnecessary bureaucracy.
What wise words, and I for one am not going to argue with you about the police being a waste of time on this matter, or any other come to that.
Whoops we do appear to of hit a nerve, who knows if you had bothered to put a name to the insults, I might have given them credit. However you hide behind a cloak of invisibility, not even daring to put a name to your comments. I laugh at your crude remarks, and in turn, point at the contradictions you make in your comments, for in the one hand you say you wish the dirt to be dished, yet in the other you rave when the dirt being dished is insulting to your ears. If my comments offend you so much, then do yourself a favor and don’t read them. I wait with baited breath for your next barrage of abusive comments, and would suggest that if you intend to reply, try using words containing more than four letters, perhaps even throw in a little observation or reason behind your rant, who knows in so doing you may win this obscure augment. Until our next exchange have a nice day, for I am sure I will, for I know that the comments I had posted are read, which you just proved, and it matters not to me if you like them or not, for it is the way I feel. :-)
4x4 what is one of them? I do not remember making statements about such a vehicle. If what you are saying is that you ride such a vehicle in the fields, and you feel I am trying to stop you from having this type of fun, then please read my statements again that is not what I am saying at all.
Motorcyycles, 4x4's whatever, people like you are only happy when curtailing the enjoyment of others.
NONE of this twaddle you are posting is "dishing dirt on corruption" which is what Scallywag did and did well, stop using this name you are a joke, you don;t even have a clue.
I for one, do not wish to stop the enjoyment of others, indeed if you read my comments more carefully, I am sure you will find that I am trying to propose a solution that will enhance this enjoyment, while making it safe for the public. As for “dishing dirt on corruption”, I suggest that I am, I am showing the flaws in this council, a council which knows there is a need for a solution, yet decides to bury its head in the sand and do nothing. I am showing that this police service, is a mockery, and amounts to a waste of tax payer’s money. If you want an argument then try picks holes in these two points.
YOU need to read YOUR comments more cafefully, "Scallywag."
"How can we stop motorcycles and four wheel drive vehicles from being a menace on our footpaths"
So what is a 4x4 if it is not a four wheel drive vehicle? I also doubt you will see may range rovers down "Footpaths." Bridleways rarely and B.O.A.T.S a fair bit I suspect. Footpaths are usually restrited to Council Estate scum dragged up by single Mothers or rotten parents riding on illegal Motorbikes around 50-125cc.
Once again I say stop talking about the Police we all know they are a joke and only good for opressing those who speak up against the establishment, neo nazi footsoldiers is what they have become.
Take the law into your own hands instead. then and you might see some Fat arsed housewife, sorry Labour civil servant, do something. it wll probably be to apprehend YOU rather then stop the little bastards though as they are all victims of course.
You are showing us NOTHING at the end of it all!, people before you have done a thousand times more "dirt dishing" than what you are doing and you think you are showing people something?
You forget people are SHEEP and SLAVES mostly asleep and kept asleep by thier Jobs, taxes, bills, Mortgages and thier sheer stupidity and apathy.
This is designed this way to stop people asking too many questions..unless you come up with BIG BANG dirt you words will be met with apathy, complacency and ignorance, if they carry any real weight , trust me you will suddenly start having problems in your life.
I will say again what you are posting here is chatter, twadlle and "old woman talking across a fence" material that has been said a million times before and better...it will get you nowhere.
Stop calling yourself Scallywag unless you are coming up with material like Mr Reagan used to, anything else is an insult.
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